1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:30,296 --> 00:00:31,831 - I like to be center stage 4 00:00:33,299 --> 00:00:34,667 taking the big parts. 5 00:00:34,701 --> 00:00:38,505 I'm not interested in being worthy, 6 00:00:38,538 --> 00:00:40,774 I'm not interested in being virtuous 7 00:00:40,807 --> 00:00:43,610 and standing there for the good of the company. 8 00:00:43,643 --> 00:00:45,545 I'm simply not interested in that. 9 00:00:45,578 --> 00:00:47,147 It's the way I'm constructed. 10 00:00:47,180 --> 00:00:50,283 It's my own megalomaniacal selfishness, I suppose. 11 00:00:50,316 --> 00:00:52,452 I'm not interested in all that experimentation, 12 00:00:52,485 --> 00:00:56,322 and we've all got a knuckle under and obey the director. 13 00:00:56,356 --> 00:00:57,457 I say, bollocks. 14 00:00:58,858 --> 00:01:01,461 - In 1991, in The Silence of the Lambs 15 00:01:01,494 --> 00:01:02,662 by Jonathan Demme, 16 00:01:02,695 --> 00:01:05,732 Anthony Hopkins achieves worldwide success, 17 00:01:05,765 --> 00:01:09,803 playing a cannibalistic psychopath imprisoned in a cage. 18 00:01:09,836 --> 00:01:14,574 The most famous serial killer of all time, Hannibal Lecter. 19 00:01:14,607 --> 00:01:15,842 Even though he was on screen 20 00:01:15,875 --> 00:01:17,911 for only 20 minutes throughout the movie, 21 00:01:17,944 --> 00:01:20,613 it's enough to propel him to the top of Hollywood 22 00:01:20,647 --> 00:01:22,449 at almost 60 years old, 23 00:01:22,482 --> 00:01:24,617 and after more than 30 years of acting. 24 00:01:25,752 --> 00:01:27,587 The biggest directors fight over him, 25 00:01:27,620 --> 00:01:31,191 like Francis Ford Coppola who casts him in Dracula. 26 00:01:31,224 --> 00:01:32,425 - Action! 27 00:01:34,561 --> 00:01:36,162 - Mina! 28 00:01:37,464 --> 00:01:39,265 - The thing is going to happen pretty fast. 29 00:01:39,299 --> 00:01:40,500 - Yes. - You confront them, 30 00:01:40,533 --> 00:01:41,801 they attack you, 31 00:01:41,835 --> 00:01:43,336 Van Helsing challenges you, 32 00:01:43,369 --> 00:01:46,239 you make your lay statement and then you leave. 33 00:01:46,272 --> 00:01:47,841 - Even Steven Spielberg wants him 34 00:01:47,874 --> 00:01:51,177 to play the president of the United States in Amistad. 35 00:01:51,211 --> 00:01:52,445 - Yeah. 36 00:01:52,479 --> 00:01:53,613 - And you're coming down with your secretary. 37 00:01:53,646 --> 00:01:54,881 This was something, you can trial this. 38 00:01:54,914 --> 00:01:56,549 But this is a better location. 39 00:01:56,583 --> 00:01:57,851 - Good. - So we'll do that first. 40 00:01:57,884 --> 00:01:58,518 - And have you seen the house of the General? 41 00:01:58,551 --> 00:01:59,853 - No. 42 00:01:59,886 --> 00:02:01,387 - Come here, because you're going to love this. 43 00:02:01,421 --> 00:02:03,923 - 1992 is a turning point for him. 44 00:02:03,957 --> 00:02:07,360 In addition to becoming the favorite actor of James Ivory, 45 00:02:07,393 --> 00:02:09,429 it's also the year that he is cemented 46 00:02:09,462 --> 00:02:11,464 among the greatest actors of all time 47 00:02:11,498 --> 00:02:14,601 for his iconic role in The Silence of the Lambs. 48 00:02:15,702 --> 00:02:18,671 - And the Oscar goes to Anthony Hopkins 49 00:02:18,705 --> 00:02:20,540 in The Silence of The Lambs. 50 00:02:21,808 --> 00:02:23,576 - I sat there that evening in the Oscars 51 00:02:23,610 --> 00:02:27,947 and Ted Tally picked up the best screenplay writer. 52 00:02:27,981 --> 00:02:31,584 And at that moment I thought, "I think I've got the Oscar," 53 00:02:31,618 --> 00:02:35,421 and Kathy Bates came on stage to present it 54 00:02:35,455 --> 00:02:37,657 and I knew she was going to call my name. 55 00:02:40,627 --> 00:02:41,961 First of all, before I say on, 56 00:02:41,995 --> 00:02:44,664 I want to say hello to my mother. 57 00:02:44,697 --> 00:02:46,866 She's in Wales watching this on television 58 00:02:47,934 --> 00:02:50,770 with Eve and Jean and Jill and Tony. 59 00:02:50,803 --> 00:02:52,906 My father died 11 years ago tonight, 60 00:02:52,939 --> 00:02:55,775 so maybe he had something to do with this as well. 61 00:02:55,808 --> 00:02:58,244 And then I thought when I got up there to take the Oscar, 62 00:02:58,278 --> 00:03:00,313 I thought, "Well now I can do some bad films," 63 00:03:00,346 --> 00:03:01,781 which I proceeded to do. 64 00:03:01,814 --> 00:03:02,916 Doesn't matter really. 65 00:03:04,384 --> 00:03:06,953 I touched the ceiling of my life, I suppose. 66 00:03:07,987 --> 00:03:10,823 I love the coldness of life. 67 00:03:10,857 --> 00:03:13,993 I love the inevitability of it all. 68 00:03:19,666 --> 00:03:24,671 I had no friends, because I rejected friends, I suppose. 69 00:03:24,704 --> 00:03:26,005 So I was lonely. 70 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:27,707 I was a non-starter. 71 00:03:28,641 --> 00:03:30,276 Very poor student. 72 00:03:31,844 --> 00:03:33,513 I was convinced I was on the wrong planet. 73 00:03:36,950 --> 00:03:39,452 I think that those years were quite formative for me. 74 00:03:39,485 --> 00:03:41,788 I was escaping, I think, from my sense 75 00:03:41,821 --> 00:03:43,856 of being a kind of clodhopper. 76 00:03:48,361 --> 00:03:49,696 Well, I was the source of worry. 77 00:03:49,729 --> 00:03:50,997 I was the only child and I was the source of worry 78 00:03:51,030 --> 00:03:52,599 of both my parents when I was a kid, 79 00:03:52,632 --> 00:03:54,701 because I was so stupid at school. 80 00:03:54,734 --> 00:03:56,669 I mean, I haven't got fashionable high flowing words 81 00:03:56,703 --> 00:03:57,637 like, I was dyslexic, 82 00:03:57,670 --> 00:03:58,838 I think I was just stupid. 83 00:03:58,871 --> 00:04:01,774 And I couldn't figure out what anyone was talking about. 84 00:04:01,808 --> 00:04:04,410 And I was the lonely kid at the top of the streets 85 00:04:04,444 --> 00:04:05,712 staring at my thumbnail, 86 00:04:05,745 --> 00:04:07,380 and all the other kids were down 87 00:04:07,413 --> 00:04:08,548 the other end of the street. 88 00:04:08,581 --> 00:04:09,816 My father used to say to my mother, 89 00:04:09,849 --> 00:04:11,551 "There's something very wrong with this boy." 90 00:04:11,584 --> 00:04:15,021 Which is not the way to give one self-confidence, 91 00:04:15,054 --> 00:04:17,357 but they were worried about me. 92 00:04:17,390 --> 00:04:19,859 But in a strange way, I had an idyllic childhood. 93 00:04:19,892 --> 00:04:21,828 I remember the first four years very clearly. 94 00:04:21,861 --> 00:04:23,963 I've got one of those, cursed and blessed 95 00:04:23,997 --> 00:04:29,369 with images and a very long memory. 96 00:04:30,436 --> 00:04:32,438 I can remember back to very early times, 97 00:04:32,472 --> 00:04:35,475 probably about the age of two, something like that. 98 00:04:35,508 --> 00:04:38,978 And I remember South Wales. 99 00:04:39,012 --> 00:04:40,880 I was born in the rural part of Port Talbot, 100 00:04:40,913 --> 00:04:42,749 a place called Margam. 101 00:04:42,782 --> 00:04:45,818 And it really was like the Garden of Eden. 102 00:04:45,852 --> 00:04:47,553 I remember our little front garden, 103 00:04:47,587 --> 00:04:48,521 and it was really... 104 00:04:48,554 --> 00:04:50,356 a couple of small trees there, 105 00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:53,126 and it really was like a mini paradise. 106 00:04:53,159 --> 00:04:56,029 And I can recall, when I close my eyes, 107 00:04:56,062 --> 00:04:59,432 I can go back there and it's all changed now, of course, 108 00:04:59,465 --> 00:05:04,637 but I can, the smells and the colors. 109 00:05:05,538 --> 00:05:06,906 But when I went to school, 110 00:05:06,939 --> 00:05:08,875 that was the beginning of the turning point for me. 111 00:05:08,908 --> 00:05:10,576 When I realized I was different, 112 00:05:11,778 --> 00:05:14,047 backward, more slow. 113 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,615 And I have no regret at all, 114 00:05:15,648 --> 00:05:17,550 because that was the fire in the belly 115 00:05:17,583 --> 00:05:20,053 that gave me enough anger and rage. 116 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:29,362 My father was a pretty boisterous, tough old sort, really. 117 00:05:30,129 --> 00:05:31,164 He was a remarkable man. 118 00:05:31,197 --> 00:05:32,532 I loved him very much. 119 00:05:34,033 --> 00:05:35,601 He was a baker by profession. 120 00:05:35,635 --> 00:05:36,903 That's what he started. 121 00:05:36,936 --> 00:05:40,073 And he took over, he was a baker with his father. 122 00:05:40,106 --> 00:05:41,140 Good God. 123 00:05:42,675 --> 00:05:44,444 Believe it or not I lived in here. 124 00:05:46,179 --> 00:05:48,414 It's just like in my dreams. 125 00:05:48,448 --> 00:05:49,782 Ruins. 126 00:05:49,816 --> 00:05:52,752 Maybe it's a symbol of my own ruined life. 127 00:05:52,785 --> 00:05:53,820 I don't know. 128 00:05:54,821 --> 00:05:57,156 And I remember that sometimes, 129 00:05:57,190 --> 00:05:59,125 the yellow look in his face around the gills, 130 00:05:59,158 --> 00:06:00,693 and the sweat. 131 00:06:01,627 --> 00:06:04,063 And he'd say, "Oh God." 132 00:06:04,097 --> 00:06:06,999 And he'd do that, and I remember that God, he's worked hard. 133 00:06:09,168 --> 00:06:13,005 Yeah, I think that's why I get angry sometimes. 134 00:06:14,707 --> 00:06:15,975 - Do you think of your father often now? 135 00:06:16,008 --> 00:06:16,943 - All the time. 136 00:06:16,976 --> 00:06:18,177 - Yes. 137 00:06:18,211 --> 00:06:18,745 - And as I get older, he's becoming me. 138 00:06:18,778 --> 00:06:19,879 I'm him. 139 00:06:21,180 --> 00:06:22,515 I remember I used to play the piano a lot. 140 00:06:22,548 --> 00:06:23,750 I was a little artist, you could say. 141 00:06:23,783 --> 00:06:24,951 I used to play Beethoven and all that stuff, 142 00:06:24,984 --> 00:06:26,152 and Chopin, and all that. 143 00:06:26,185 --> 00:06:27,854 And he was a baker, 144 00:06:27,887 --> 00:06:30,189 and he used to ask me to come and help him in the shop. 145 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:32,892 Carry the cakes into the shop during school holidays. 146 00:06:32,925 --> 00:06:35,528 Well I'd sort of get distracted. 147 00:06:35,561 --> 00:06:37,063 And I remember sitting at the top of the house 148 00:06:37,096 --> 00:06:38,030 where this piano was, 149 00:06:38,064 --> 00:06:39,031 and I remember him coming out, 150 00:06:39,065 --> 00:06:40,733 and "For God sakes," he'd say, 151 00:06:40,767 --> 00:06:42,535 "I asked you to take those donuts into the shop." 152 00:06:42,568 --> 00:06:43,803 "What the hell are you doing up here?" 153 00:06:43,836 --> 00:06:45,004 I was playing the piano. 154 00:06:45,037 --> 00:06:46,139 "So what's that you're playing?" 155 00:06:46,172 --> 00:06:47,607 I remember him standing in the doorway 156 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,509 and he had flour dust in the hair on his arms. 157 00:06:49,542 --> 00:06:50,777 Really hard worker. 158 00:06:50,810 --> 00:06:51,644 He said, "What are you playing?" 159 00:06:51,677 --> 00:06:52,979 I said, "Beethoven." 160 00:06:53,012 --> 00:06:55,014 He said, "No wonder you went deaf." 161 00:06:58,518 --> 00:07:00,686 I don't know what my role in the world is. 162 00:07:01,788 --> 00:07:03,022 I came out here many years ago 163 00:07:03,055 --> 00:07:05,925 because I wanted to be in movies, be an actor. 164 00:07:05,958 --> 00:07:07,894 I was a bad boy. 165 00:07:09,729 --> 00:07:11,564 I couldn't stand the British theater. 166 00:07:11,597 --> 00:07:12,799 I couldn't stand any of it, 167 00:07:12,832 --> 00:07:15,067 because I didn't feel I belonged there. 168 00:07:15,101 --> 00:07:16,769 Nobody's fault. 169 00:07:16,803 --> 00:07:20,807 I just didn't have it in my nature to be part of that group. 170 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,642 So I reinvented my life, 171 00:07:22,675 --> 00:07:24,210 and I came out here some years ago, 172 00:07:24,243 --> 00:07:25,545 and you see the result of it. 173 00:07:25,578 --> 00:07:28,147 I'm pretty feisty. 174 00:07:28,181 --> 00:07:30,082 I am rebellious and happy. 175 00:07:32,985 --> 00:07:35,521 And so I want to give back to people. 176 00:07:35,555 --> 00:07:37,557 Not because I'm on a crusade, far from it. 177 00:07:37,590 --> 00:07:39,692 I just do this because I've got nothing better to do. 178 00:07:39,725 --> 00:07:41,627 They give me a cup of coffee and some fruit in the morning. 179 00:07:41,661 --> 00:07:42,995 So it keeps me off the streets, 180 00:07:43,029 --> 00:07:44,130 keeps me out of trouble, 181 00:07:44,163 --> 00:07:45,264 and I get some fun doing it. 182 00:07:45,298 --> 00:07:46,933 These pretty beautiful girls here. 183 00:07:46,966 --> 00:07:48,134 Women, women. 184 00:07:49,235 --> 00:07:50,169 - They're beautiful. 185 00:07:50,203 --> 00:07:51,170 I get hugs from them all. 186 00:07:51,204 --> 00:07:52,638 It's very nice. 187 00:07:52,672 --> 00:07:54,841 - Some of the men hug me as well. 188 00:07:54,874 --> 00:07:56,676 But it's lovely to see them opening up, 189 00:07:56,709 --> 00:07:59,078 and if that's their response, then that makes me happy. 190 00:08:02,215 --> 00:08:05,551 - In 1965, after five years on stage 191 00:08:05,585 --> 00:08:07,220 in Cardiff and then in London, 192 00:08:07,253 --> 00:08:10,056 he is noticed by the legendary playwright and actor, 193 00:08:10,089 --> 00:08:11,290 Sir Laurence Olivier, 194 00:08:11,324 --> 00:08:14,894 who invites him to join him in the Royal National Theatre. 195 00:08:16,362 --> 00:08:20,333 Hopkins becomes his understudy and eventually replaces him. 196 00:08:20,366 --> 00:08:23,002 In his memoir, Laurence Olivier writes, 197 00:08:23,035 --> 00:08:26,339 "An exceptionally promising young actor from the company, 198 00:08:26,372 --> 00:08:30,276 named Anthony Hopkins, replaced me and played my role 199 00:08:30,309 --> 00:08:33,579 as a cat with a mouse between its teeth." 200 00:08:35,748 --> 00:08:38,317 - Yeah, when I started out I just wanted to be famous. 201 00:08:38,351 --> 00:08:39,919 I didn't want to become a great actor. 202 00:08:39,952 --> 00:08:41,721 I didn't want to become a great Shakespearean actor. 203 00:08:41,754 --> 00:08:43,055 I had no idea. 204 00:08:43,089 --> 00:08:44,290 When people would say, "You're the next Olivier." 205 00:08:44,323 --> 00:08:45,725 I didn't want to become the next Olivier. 206 00:08:45,758 --> 00:08:47,093 I didn't want to stand in wrinkled tights 207 00:08:47,126 --> 00:08:49,028 on The Old Vic stage for the rest of my life. 208 00:08:49,061 --> 00:08:51,764 I had ideas beyond that. 209 00:08:58,638 --> 00:09:02,008 I was discontent, I was angry and fed up. 210 00:09:02,041 --> 00:09:05,878 And I hated being part of an establishment 211 00:09:05,912 --> 00:09:08,180 and hated doing Shakespeare. 212 00:09:08,214 --> 00:09:09,882 It was all my own making. 213 00:09:09,916 --> 00:09:11,017 I was the enemy within, you know? 214 00:09:11,050 --> 00:09:12,018 It was all my own making. 215 00:09:12,051 --> 00:09:13,286 It was nobody else's fault. 216 00:09:13,319 --> 00:09:17,924 Everyone did their best to cater to my needs. 217 00:09:19,392 --> 00:09:21,327 - Were you drinking at that time? 218 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,897 - Oh yes, but all actors drink. 219 00:09:24,931 --> 00:09:26,732 That was just an episode in my life, 220 00:09:26,766 --> 00:09:27,867 that's over and done with now. 221 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:29,869 That's a boring episode of life. 222 00:09:29,902 --> 00:09:31,704 But I don't think it helped, 223 00:09:31,737 --> 00:09:32,972 but I was restless. 224 00:09:33,005 --> 00:09:34,840 I wanted to get out, and I was frightened. 225 00:09:34,874 --> 00:09:38,177 I was afraid I was taking on this monumental part, 226 00:09:38,210 --> 00:09:40,146 and I never pretended that I had the courage 227 00:09:40,179 --> 00:09:42,281 to do these great parts like Macbeth and King Lear. 228 00:09:42,315 --> 00:09:44,817 I never said I could do them. 229 00:09:44,850 --> 00:09:47,253 I never thought I had the courage to do them. 230 00:09:53,826 --> 00:09:54,760 I wanted it all. 231 00:09:54,794 --> 00:09:55,895 I wanted to be successful, 232 00:09:55,928 --> 00:09:56,862 and I wanted to be famous, 233 00:09:56,896 --> 00:09:58,364 and I wanted to be in movies. 234 00:09:58,397 --> 00:10:01,167 And I wanted to meet people like Katharine Hepburn, 235 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,735 and I want to meet Peter O'Toole, 236 00:10:02,768 --> 00:10:03,836 and I met Peter O'Toole, 237 00:10:03,869 --> 00:10:05,404 and I've met some great people, 238 00:10:05,438 --> 00:10:08,007 some wonderful directors, some wonderful actors. 239 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,810 Would you say, Father, that I have the makings of a king? 240 00:10:10,843 --> 00:10:12,712 - Splendid king. 241 00:10:12,745 --> 00:10:15,247 - Would you expect me, Father, to give up without a fight? 242 00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:16,349 - Of course you'll fight. 243 00:10:16,382 --> 00:10:18,184 I raised you to. 244 00:10:18,217 --> 00:10:19,452 - I don't care what you offer Phillip, 245 00:10:19,485 --> 00:10:20,987 I don't care what plans you make, 246 00:10:21,020 --> 00:10:23,856 I'll have the Aquitaine and Alais and the crown, 247 00:10:23,889 --> 00:10:26,125 I'll not give up one to get the other. 248 00:10:26,158 --> 00:10:27,860 I won't trade off Alais or Aquitaine 249 00:10:27,893 --> 00:10:29,261 to that walking pustule! 250 00:10:31,764 --> 00:10:33,265 No, your loving son will not. 251 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,705 I remember the first few days on the set of Lion in Winter, 252 00:10:40,873 --> 00:10:43,275 and I'd done a movie test with Peter O'Toole 253 00:10:43,309 --> 00:10:44,944 a few weeks before. 254 00:10:45,878 --> 00:10:48,047 And he was on the test with me 255 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,982 reading off lines off the camera, 256 00:10:51,450 --> 00:10:53,753 And I remember them saying, "Cut!" 257 00:10:53,786 --> 00:10:57,289 And O'Toole saying, "You've got it. Fantastic." 258 00:10:59,492 --> 00:11:01,761 Bloody marvelous darling. 259 00:11:01,794 --> 00:11:02,895 I'm a big star. 260 00:11:05,031 --> 00:11:06,866 "Let's go and have a drink." 261 00:11:06,899 --> 00:11:08,968 See, I love those guys, the drinkers, 262 00:11:09,001 --> 00:11:10,403 because they were the best. 263 00:11:11,437 --> 00:11:12,772 I love them, I love drunks. 264 00:11:12,805 --> 00:11:13,773 I love that. 265 00:11:13,806 --> 00:11:15,274 And Peter's a great boozer. 266 00:11:15,307 --> 00:11:16,809 I had to give it up 267 00:11:16,842 --> 00:11:17,977 because it nearly damn killed me in the end. 268 00:11:18,010 --> 00:11:19,478 But I remember that sensation 269 00:11:19,512 --> 00:11:21,447 of, "Oh yeah, that'd be marvelous." 270 00:11:22,548 --> 00:11:24,950 But you have to have a certain vulnerability 271 00:11:24,984 --> 00:11:27,820 and to be a certain amount of mess inside you. 272 00:11:27,853 --> 00:11:29,955 I think to really succeed, you have to be really screwed up 273 00:11:29,989 --> 00:11:32,425 to be successful in this business. 274 00:11:32,458 --> 00:11:35,327 - What did you learn from Katharine Hepburn? 275 00:11:35,361 --> 00:11:38,164 What did you learn from Hepburn in that movie? 276 00:11:38,197 --> 00:11:39,465 - She said to me, she said, 277 00:11:39,498 --> 00:11:43,369 "Don't act, don't act, just speak the lines. 278 00:11:43,402 --> 00:11:45,171 Be what you are." 279 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:46,305 I was playing Richard the Lionheart. 280 00:11:46,338 --> 00:11:47,873 She knew. 281 00:11:47,907 --> 00:11:49,175 She said, "You look good. You've got a good head. 282 00:11:49,208 --> 00:11:50,443 You've got a good shoulders on you." 283 00:11:50,476 --> 00:11:51,811 She said, "You've got all the advantages, 284 00:11:51,844 --> 00:11:54,213 so don't act, don't overact." 285 00:11:54,246 --> 00:11:56,082 She said, "Don't be theatrical." 286 00:11:56,115 --> 00:11:57,049 I said, "Well what do I do?" 287 00:11:57,083 --> 00:11:58,818 She said, "Speak the lines." 288 00:11:58,851 --> 00:12:02,188 Which sounds very simplistic, but I think she was right. 289 00:12:04,824 --> 00:12:05,958 She's talking about filmmaking. 290 00:12:05,991 --> 00:12:07,126 Don't overact. 291 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:08,961 Don't show too much. 292 00:12:08,994 --> 00:12:12,832 We could tangle spiders on the webs you weave. 293 00:12:12,865 --> 00:12:15,534 - If I'm so devious, why don't you go? 294 00:12:15,568 --> 00:12:17,937 Don't stand there quivering in limbo. 295 00:12:19,004 --> 00:12:22,041 Love me, little lamb, or leave me. 296 00:12:22,074 --> 00:12:23,843 - You were influenced by the movies, 297 00:12:23,876 --> 00:12:25,244 weren't you, the actors? 298 00:12:25,277 --> 00:12:26,579 We all were. 299 00:12:26,612 --> 00:12:28,180 - I was brought up on movies. 300 00:12:28,214 --> 00:12:30,316 I have a nice, my parents were quite disciplined. 301 00:12:30,349 --> 00:12:32,451 I used to go to a movie once a week, or twice a week, 302 00:12:32,485 --> 00:12:33,919 but I used to watch 303 00:12:33,953 --> 00:12:36,188 all those old Warner Brothers movies, 304 00:12:36,222 --> 00:12:37,523 Bogart and all that lot. 305 00:12:37,556 --> 00:12:38,991 - Yeah, yeah. 306 00:12:39,024 --> 00:12:40,426 - And I used to learn the script. 307 00:12:41,861 --> 00:12:42,762 - You could? 308 00:12:42,795 --> 00:12:43,996 - I knew you were going to ask me this. 309 00:12:44,029 --> 00:12:44,964 You want me to do one? 310 00:12:44,997 --> 00:12:46,465 - Speak the script, yeah. 311 00:12:46,499 --> 00:12:47,366 - Well, okay. 312 00:12:48,534 --> 00:12:49,368 - But you remember those scripts? 313 00:12:49,401 --> 00:12:51,003 - Yes. 314 00:12:51,036 --> 00:12:53,005 My name is Spade, Sam Spade. 315 00:12:53,038 --> 00:12:55,341 License number 357896, 316 00:12:55,374 --> 00:12:58,077 issued by the police department of San Francisco. 317 00:12:58,110 --> 00:12:59,411 Occupation private detective, 318 00:12:59,445 --> 00:13:01,247 sometimes known as private eye. 319 00:13:02,581 --> 00:13:03,883 - Well done! 320 00:13:08,053 --> 00:13:09,121 - That's Bogart. 321 00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:14,293 - As close to Lauren Bacall as I've ever heard. 322 00:13:16,228 --> 00:13:17,329 Very nice. 323 00:13:17,363 --> 00:13:18,364 It's just another facet of your- 324 00:13:18,397 --> 00:13:20,032 - Yeah, very slick going up for life. 325 00:13:20,065 --> 00:13:21,233 I'll tell you about it. 326 00:13:21,267 --> 00:13:22,434 So it's not bad is it? 327 00:13:22,468 --> 00:13:23,602 - Yeah, it's good, and you remember the lines definitely. 328 00:13:23,636 --> 00:13:25,070 - Yes, I remember the lines 329 00:13:25,104 --> 00:13:26,071 I learned all that before I came on here. 330 00:13:26,105 --> 00:13:27,940 I knew you were going to ask me. 331 00:13:29,542 --> 00:13:30,643 - For God's sake, don't let them know all the secrets. 332 00:13:30,676 --> 00:13:31,977 - I wasn't born here. 333 00:13:32,011 --> 00:13:32,978 - Yeah 334 00:13:34,013 --> 00:13:37,082 - At age 37, Anthony Hopkins decides 335 00:13:37,116 --> 00:13:40,519 to leave England and try his luck in Hollywood. 336 00:13:40,553 --> 00:13:42,955 He starts another chapter of his life, 337 00:13:42,988 --> 00:13:45,157 following the example of Humphrey Bogart, 338 00:13:45,191 --> 00:13:47,293 James Cagney, and Marlon Brando. 339 00:13:49,195 --> 00:13:52,298 This chapter is undoubtedly the most intense. 340 00:13:52,331 --> 00:13:54,633 Anthony Hopkins, still grapples with a demon 341 00:13:54,667 --> 00:13:57,303 that will not let go, alcohol. 342 00:14:01,273 --> 00:14:04,176 His lack of self-confidence and his discomfort, 343 00:14:04,210 --> 00:14:06,946 as he often says, encourages his drinking. 344 00:14:08,314 --> 00:14:10,950 Hollywood would be his hell, 345 00:14:10,983 --> 00:14:14,186 and then later, his redemption. 346 00:14:24,330 --> 00:14:27,233 - Well, I found tequila when I came here 347 00:14:27,266 --> 00:14:30,336 and I drunk enough of that to unzip my brain 348 00:14:30,369 --> 00:14:31,670 and drive me crazy, 349 00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:34,006 and then I woke up and came to my senses. 350 00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:36,041 I thought, "Well, I'm going to blow it all 351 00:14:36,075 --> 00:14:38,077 if I don't stop doing this nonsense." 352 00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:40,079 I was trouble, I know. 353 00:14:40,112 --> 00:14:41,647 I was just a bore really. 354 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,950 And I couldn't fit in, and I just didn't feel at home. 355 00:14:44,984 --> 00:14:46,051 And that was my problem. 356 00:14:47,620 --> 00:14:50,723 I'm just bad tempered, trying too much and all that. 357 00:14:50,756 --> 00:14:53,192 And it all came to a bit of a crisis, 358 00:14:53,225 --> 00:14:54,426 and I walked out. 359 00:14:54,460 --> 00:14:55,294 I left in the middle of a production, 360 00:14:55,327 --> 00:14:58,097 which was a very drastic thing to do. 361 00:14:59,198 --> 00:15:00,232 I hurt a few people, 362 00:15:03,736 --> 00:15:08,040 but it's the only way I knew how to survive 363 00:15:08,073 --> 00:15:09,008 whatever I was going through. 364 00:15:09,041 --> 00:15:10,476 And so I got out. 365 00:15:10,509 --> 00:15:14,513 And I was in work, I started work fairly soon after that. 366 00:15:14,546 --> 00:15:16,749 I suppose I went through a sort of, not a breakdown, 367 00:15:16,782 --> 00:15:20,753 but I just felt very unhappy and unsettled, 368 00:15:20,786 --> 00:15:24,757 and I had no sense of self-confidence at all. 369 00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:27,593 It's not I fear death or the end of it all, 370 00:15:27,626 --> 00:15:29,028 but I am aware of it. 371 00:15:29,061 --> 00:15:30,596 I'm 57 years of age, 372 00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:34,166 and I want to have the richest years of my life ahead of me. 373 00:15:34,199 --> 00:15:36,502 And I plan to, and I'm going to. 374 00:15:42,508 --> 00:15:46,645 When I first came to California, out here in Santa Monica, 375 00:15:48,414 --> 00:15:51,717 it was like being on another planet. 376 00:15:53,485 --> 00:15:56,155 I thought they were different race of people. 377 00:15:56,188 --> 00:15:58,123 Everyone in those days looked very glamorous, 378 00:15:58,157 --> 00:16:01,627 and I thought they were all tall blonde girls 379 00:16:01,660 --> 00:16:04,663 and good looking guys. 380 00:16:07,333 --> 00:16:09,601 I like the shallowness of it all in a way. 381 00:16:11,403 --> 00:16:13,238 Jonathan Miller said to me when he came out here, 382 00:16:13,272 --> 00:16:14,740 He said, "How can you live here? 383 00:16:14,773 --> 00:16:16,675 It's like living on the moon." 384 00:16:16,709 --> 00:16:19,078 I said, "Well, it's all right. 385 00:16:19,111 --> 00:16:19,778 I like it here." 386 00:16:21,613 --> 00:16:23,415 There's a lovely time in the evening, like now, 387 00:16:23,449 --> 00:16:27,419 when it feels very, very peaceful and it just feels right. 388 00:16:28,787 --> 00:16:30,456 I carry that feeling around with me 389 00:16:30,489 --> 00:16:32,725 most of my time now, 390 00:16:32,758 --> 00:16:36,228 It's that thing where it just feels right inside, you know? 391 00:16:38,597 --> 00:16:40,032 No contention, no argument, 392 00:16:40,733 --> 00:16:44,136 no fighting, no belligerence. 393 00:16:46,572 --> 00:16:49,842 - For him, California becomes another planet, 394 00:16:49,875 --> 00:16:53,345 one on which he lives with his second wife, Jennifer Lynton, 395 00:16:53,379 --> 00:16:55,447 who he met in England while she was working 396 00:16:55,481 --> 00:16:57,182 as a production assistant. 397 00:16:59,418 --> 00:17:03,422 There, Anthony Hopkins left his first wife Petronella, 398 00:17:03,455 --> 00:17:06,558 and the child they had together, his daughter, Abigail. 399 00:17:08,727 --> 00:17:12,731 America for Hopkins is the world of possibilities. 400 00:17:12,765 --> 00:17:16,335 Luck smiles on him, when in '78, Richard Attenborough 401 00:17:16,368 --> 00:17:18,637 offers him a key role in his career, 402 00:17:18,670 --> 00:17:22,541 as a mad ventriloquist in the little known film, Magic. 403 00:17:22,574 --> 00:17:24,376 - You ruined the rising aces. 404 00:17:24,410 --> 00:17:26,211 - So what, screw it. 405 00:17:26,245 --> 00:17:28,480 You see the broad with the big jugs? 406 00:17:28,514 --> 00:17:30,182 - You mean the young lady in the feathers? 407 00:17:30,215 --> 00:17:31,884 Yeah I see her, so what? 408 00:17:31,917 --> 00:17:34,553 - Wonder if she'd like a roll in the shavings with me? 409 00:17:35,854 --> 00:17:37,790 - I don't think you're very funny. 410 00:17:37,823 --> 00:17:39,191 - Well they do. 411 00:17:40,759 --> 00:17:43,228 - What about the vent though, first of all, 412 00:17:43,262 --> 00:17:45,464 how difficult is it to throw your voice like that 413 00:17:45,497 --> 00:17:47,332 without moving your lips as they say? 414 00:17:47,366 --> 00:17:52,538 - Well I found it fairly easy, maybe because I'm an actor 415 00:17:53,772 --> 00:17:55,774 and you have to keep your voice flexible, 416 00:17:55,808 --> 00:17:57,743 and I was willing to learn. 417 00:17:57,776 --> 00:18:00,279 And I decided that the only way I could do it 418 00:18:00,312 --> 00:18:02,748 was to enjoy it. 419 00:18:02,781 --> 00:18:04,550 And I've been a mimic as well, 420 00:18:04,583 --> 00:18:09,588 so I found it fairly easy, and I had a good teacher. 421 00:18:09,621 --> 00:18:10,823 Now, maybe I was a good student. 422 00:18:10,856 --> 00:18:12,291 - Can you still do it? 423 00:18:12,324 --> 00:18:13,659 - Yes 424 00:18:13,692 --> 00:18:14,526 - Like what? 425 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:15,761 - Yes I can, 426 00:18:15,794 --> 00:18:16,595 Hi, Michael. 427 00:18:16,628 --> 00:18:17,362 How are you doing? 428 00:18:17,396 --> 00:18:18,230 Good to see you. 429 00:18:18,263 --> 00:18:19,898 Hi gang, you okay? 430 00:18:19,932 --> 00:18:21,200 Fantastic. 431 00:18:26,939 --> 00:18:29,208 - Hey you know what I think? 432 00:18:29,241 --> 00:18:31,276 - No, what do you think? 433 00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:33,245 - We're going to be a star! 434 00:18:40,385 --> 00:18:41,753 - I find that acting has been 435 00:18:41,787 --> 00:18:43,455 tremendously therapeutic for me. 436 00:18:43,489 --> 00:18:44,957 So I think if I hadn't been an actor, 437 00:18:44,990 --> 00:18:47,226 I probably would have been, 438 00:18:47,259 --> 00:18:48,494 I don't know if I'd have been slightly criminal, 439 00:18:48,527 --> 00:18:51,463 but I don't think I would have been a very nice human being. 440 00:18:51,497 --> 00:18:52,798 I don't think I would have, 441 00:18:52,831 --> 00:18:55,467 I think I would have eaten myself alive, 442 00:18:55,501 --> 00:18:57,669 and acting has saved me from that in a way. 443 00:18:57,703 --> 00:19:02,875 It's helped me to touch parts of my own personality, 444 00:19:04,243 --> 00:19:09,248 I suppose, of my own inner darkness. 445 00:19:10,315 --> 00:19:12,584 - Darkness, monsters, prejudice, 446 00:19:12,618 --> 00:19:14,419 violence, humanity, 447 00:19:14,453 --> 00:19:16,622 in 1980 with the film, The Elephant Man, 448 00:19:16,655 --> 00:19:18,490 in his role as Doctor Treves, 449 00:19:18,524 --> 00:19:20,559 who tries to come to the aid of John Hurt, 450 00:19:20,592 --> 00:19:22,427 the famous man-elephant. 451 00:19:22,461 --> 00:19:25,831 Anthony Hopkins puts on his Hollywood star clothes. 452 00:19:25,864 --> 00:19:28,600 On set, the relationship between David Lynch 453 00:19:28,634 --> 00:19:31,603 and Hopkins is appalling, but it works. 454 00:19:31,637 --> 00:19:33,405 The film is a masterpiece, 455 00:19:33,438 --> 00:19:37,676 and will forever remain one of his greatest roles. 456 00:19:37,709 --> 00:19:40,379 - Basically, it's a very touching story 457 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,448 about a man called John Merrick, 458 00:19:43,482 --> 00:19:45,250 who was so seriously deformed. 459 00:19:45,284 --> 00:19:47,586 I don't know what the nature of his disease was, 460 00:19:47,619 --> 00:19:48,887 but he had a very large head, 461 00:19:48,921 --> 00:19:51,990 and the one side of his body totally deformed. 462 00:19:52,024 --> 00:19:54,793 And he was a sideshow freak. 463 00:19:54,826 --> 00:19:57,996 And he was cruelly beaten and treated very badly. 464 00:19:58,030 --> 00:19:59,298 He was born like this. 465 00:20:16,415 --> 00:20:20,385 - And the part I play is Dr. Frederick Treves. 466 00:20:21,820 --> 00:20:24,456 And Treves found him in the circus, in the sideshow, 467 00:20:24,489 --> 00:20:28,327 and took him back to the London hospital and kept him there. 468 00:20:36,568 --> 00:20:38,937 But John Merrick could speak, 469 00:20:38,971 --> 00:20:40,939 and he could read, and he could write, 470 00:20:40,973 --> 00:20:44,476 and he became a centerpiece for society in London. 471 00:20:44,509 --> 00:20:45,544 This is about the 1880s. 472 00:20:47,846 --> 00:20:50,616 - Mr. Merrick, I'd like you to meet my wife, Anne. 473 00:20:50,649 --> 00:20:53,051 Anne, this is John Merrick. 474 00:20:57,489 --> 00:20:59,758 - I'm very pleased to meet you, Mr. Merrick. 475 00:21:02,694 --> 00:21:03,996 - I... 476 00:21:04,029 --> 00:21:04,896 I... 477 00:21:06,665 --> 00:21:07,532 I very... 478 00:21:12,404 --> 00:21:14,873 - It's when Jonathan Demme sees David Lynch's film, 479 00:21:14,906 --> 00:21:16,975 that he considers Anthony Hopkins for 480 00:21:17,009 --> 00:21:19,411 The Silence of the Lambs. 481 00:21:19,444 --> 00:21:21,647 This is the role of a serial killer, 482 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,383 a machiavellian cannibal. 483 00:21:24,416 --> 00:21:26,551 No one has heard of the script in Hollywood, 484 00:21:26,585 --> 00:21:29,988 but Hopkins quickly realizes the potential of such a role 485 00:21:30,022 --> 00:21:32,624 and starts shaping the character. 486 00:21:32,658 --> 00:21:36,428 Slicked black hair, glassy eyes, and a straight jacket. 487 00:21:36,461 --> 00:21:38,430 The mask is made for him. 488 00:21:40,499 --> 00:21:41,800 - I didn't want to play the evils, 489 00:21:41,833 --> 00:21:43,935 because if you're playing a madman, 490 00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:46,638 if you play the madness, it's ludicrous. 491 00:21:46,672 --> 00:21:48,473 How do you play madness? 492 00:21:48,507 --> 00:21:53,578 So I opted for playing the really super sane side of him, 493 00:21:55,981 --> 00:22:00,652 the highly civilized section of Hannibal's mind. 494 00:22:00,686 --> 00:22:03,088 And then all the evil that he is, 495 00:22:03,121 --> 00:22:06,091 is there for the audience to make up for their own minds. 496 00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:08,493 Good evening, Clarice. 497 00:22:10,696 --> 00:22:13,498 - I thought you might like your drawings back, doctor. 498 00:22:16,101 --> 00:22:17,803 Just until you get your view. 499 00:22:19,004 --> 00:22:20,672 - How very thoughtful. 500 00:22:22,140 --> 00:22:25,110 Or did Jack Crawford send you for one last wheedle 501 00:22:25,143 --> 00:22:27,846 before you're both booted off the case? 502 00:22:27,879 --> 00:22:29,614 - No, I came because I wanted to. 503 00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:37,622 - People will say we're in love. 504 00:22:37,656 --> 00:22:39,758 - Let me talk about some of the specifics of that, 505 00:22:39,791 --> 00:22:43,028 well there's the noise you make, that . 506 00:22:43,061 --> 00:22:43,895 - Oh yeah. 507 00:22:43,929 --> 00:22:44,996 - Yeah. 508 00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:46,732 Now that presumably wasn't written, 509 00:22:46,765 --> 00:22:47,966 that must've come from you, I would have thought, 510 00:22:47,999 --> 00:22:50,435 or was that Jonathan Demme's idea? 511 00:22:50,469 --> 00:22:51,603 - That happened on the spur of the moment. 512 00:22:51,636 --> 00:22:53,171 I just put it in for a joke. 513 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,742 Because you heard Jonathan Demme laugh, 514 00:22:56,775 --> 00:22:59,778 quietly so he didn't destroy the soundtrack. 515 00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:03,648 And I just did it, it just came to me. 516 00:23:03,682 --> 00:23:06,017 And I heard him say, "God," in the corner, 517 00:23:06,051 --> 00:23:07,452 he was watching the camera, 518 00:23:07,486 --> 00:23:09,054 he was on the monitor, watching the film. 519 00:23:10,188 --> 00:23:11,957 And he said, "Cut." 520 00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:14,025 He says, "You are so sick, Hopkins." 521 00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:15,494 I said, "Was it over the top?" 522 00:23:15,527 --> 00:23:16,962 He said, "Yeah," he said, "But I like it." 523 00:23:16,995 --> 00:23:18,497 So we kept it in. 524 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:22,801 - It's with his hissing noise 525 00:23:22,834 --> 00:23:24,770 that Anthony Hopkins chills the blood 526 00:23:24,803 --> 00:23:26,838 of an entire generation, 527 00:23:26,872 --> 00:23:30,776 and earns his stripes as Hollywood's greatest psychopath. 528 00:23:30,809 --> 00:23:32,244 - Five, five, nine. 529 00:23:32,277 --> 00:23:34,679 - The first to pay the price is Jodie Foster, 530 00:23:34,713 --> 00:23:38,750 who still remembers it in 2016 on The Graham Norton Show. 531 00:23:38,784 --> 00:23:42,654 - Is it true, did you never speak to Anthony Hopkins? 532 00:23:42,687 --> 00:23:43,622 - Nope. 533 00:23:43,655 --> 00:23:44,656 Never spoke to him. 534 00:23:44,689 --> 00:23:45,824 He was scary. 535 00:23:46,992 --> 00:23:48,193 The first day we had a reading, 536 00:23:48,226 --> 00:23:50,095 we had like a little read-through. 537 00:23:50,128 --> 00:23:52,597 I got there early, and then I went to the bathroom, 538 00:23:52,631 --> 00:23:54,032 and I came back, everybody was sitting down. 539 00:23:54,065 --> 00:23:56,234 We did the read-through of the film, 540 00:23:56,268 --> 00:23:58,637 and by the end of it, I never wanted to talk to him again. 541 00:23:58,670 --> 00:24:00,138 I was petrified. 542 00:24:00,172 --> 00:24:02,808 - But you never passed backstage in a corridor? 543 00:24:02,841 --> 00:24:03,809 - No, I avoided him. 544 00:24:06,244 --> 00:24:07,712 I really avoided him. 545 00:24:07,746 --> 00:24:10,215 And then I was eating a tuna fish sandwich. 546 00:24:10,248 --> 00:24:13,084 It was the last day, and he came up to me, and he... 547 00:24:13,118 --> 00:24:14,820 I guess he was sidled up to me. 548 00:24:14,853 --> 00:24:16,955 And I said, I don't know, I sort of had a tear in my eye. 549 00:24:16,988 --> 00:24:18,523 I was like, "I was really scared of you." 550 00:24:18,557 --> 00:24:20,192 And he said, "I was scared of you!" 551 00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:23,228 - May I ask your credentials? 552 00:24:23,261 --> 00:24:24,162 - And by the time that we got 553 00:24:24,196 --> 00:24:25,764 into our scenes together, 554 00:24:25,797 --> 00:24:27,866 he was behind this glass partition 555 00:24:27,899 --> 00:24:30,602 and he had to be unscrewed out of the glass partition 556 00:24:30,635 --> 00:24:32,103 in order for us to communicate. 557 00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:33,138 - Closer please. 558 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,008 Closer. 559 00:24:47,252 --> 00:24:49,254 - There were a few things that he added in 560 00:24:49,287 --> 00:24:51,623 that for some reason, just sent shivers up my spine. 561 00:24:51,656 --> 00:24:56,328 There's one moment where Lecter is going on at Clarice, 562 00:24:56,361 --> 00:24:57,762 and saying, "You're just a rube," 563 00:24:57,796 --> 00:25:00,098 and, "You're some small-town hick." 564 00:25:01,933 --> 00:25:06,071 And he started mimicking my accent, 565 00:25:06,104 --> 00:25:10,041 and that just really upset me. 566 00:25:10,942 --> 00:25:13,211 I guess as an actor, I got really... 567 00:25:14,312 --> 00:25:16,214 it really took me off guard, 568 00:25:16,248 --> 00:25:17,749 to have the actor who's playing opposite 569 00:25:17,782 --> 00:25:20,051 of you start mimicking the accent 570 00:25:20,085 --> 00:25:21,319 that you're using as an actor. 571 00:25:21,353 --> 00:25:24,356 And he got to me. 572 00:25:24,389 --> 00:25:27,225 And I think it really shows on screen actually. 573 00:25:27,259 --> 00:25:28,660 - You know what you look like to me, 574 00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:31,096 with your good bag and your cheap shoes? 575 00:25:31,129 --> 00:25:32,297 You look like a rube. 576 00:25:33,999 --> 00:25:37,202 A well-scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. 577 00:25:38,403 --> 00:25:40,639 Good nutrition's given you some length of bone, 578 00:25:40,672 --> 00:25:42,274 but you're not more than one generation 579 00:25:42,307 --> 00:25:45,977 from poor white trash, are you, Agent Starling? 580 00:25:46,011 --> 00:25:48,914 And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed, 581 00:25:48,947 --> 00:25:51,049 pure West Virginia. 582 00:25:51,082 --> 00:25:52,017 What is your father, dear? 583 00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:53,652 Is he a coal miner? 584 00:25:53,685 --> 00:25:55,787 Does he stink of the land? 585 00:25:55,820 --> 00:25:58,223 And oh, how quickly the boys found you. 586 00:25:58,256 --> 00:26:00,158 All those tedious, sticky fumblings 587 00:26:00,191 --> 00:26:02,193 in the back seats of cars, 588 00:26:02,227 --> 00:26:04,229 while you could only dream of getting out, 589 00:26:04,262 --> 00:26:05,196 getting anywhere, 590 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:07,832 getting all the way to the FBI. 591 00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:11,636 I understand monsters. 592 00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:12,871 I understand tyrants. 593 00:26:12,904 --> 00:26:14,239 I understand madmen. 594 00:26:14,272 --> 00:26:16,041 I don't know what it is, 595 00:26:16,074 --> 00:26:18,009 I have a sympathy with them, in a strange way. 596 00:26:18,043 --> 00:26:21,046 I can understand what makes people tick 597 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:22,714 in these darker levels. 598 00:26:27,752 --> 00:26:29,688 - Jesus Christ! 599 00:26:31,156 --> 00:26:32,290 - Ow, ow, ow. 600 00:26:57,949 --> 00:26:59,818 - Hello. 601 00:26:59,851 --> 00:27:03,288 So here we are at the Universal Studios. 602 00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:08,960 This is Dino De Laurentiis' production. 603 00:27:08,994 --> 00:27:12,330 So we're going into the original set 604 00:27:12,364 --> 00:27:13,431 that we have on Silence of the Lambs. 605 00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:15,700 Where it's re-built. 606 00:27:15,734 --> 00:27:16,401 Hello. 607 00:27:17,969 --> 00:27:21,072 So this is the return to the original set, 608 00:27:22,307 --> 00:27:26,011 the jail where they lock Dr. Lecter up. 609 00:27:26,978 --> 00:27:28,380 It's funny being back here. 610 00:27:28,413 --> 00:27:31,016 We started filming here last week, 611 00:27:31,049 --> 00:27:36,221 and this is the corridor that Jodie Foster walked down. 612 00:27:38,156 --> 00:27:42,027 So here we are back like old times. 613 00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:44,462 I can't take any of this too seriously. 614 00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:46,464 I can't take it seriously at all. 615 00:27:46,498 --> 00:27:47,799 Anyway, it's fun. 616 00:27:47,832 --> 00:27:48,833 It's all a game. 617 00:27:48,867 --> 00:27:49,901 And these are the cells. 618 00:27:49,934 --> 00:27:53,004 And this is where... 619 00:28:00,111 --> 00:28:03,481 This was Lecter's cell. 620 00:28:04,883 --> 00:28:07,786 So it is odd, to say the least, 621 00:28:07,819 --> 00:28:08,820 to be back here. 622 00:28:14,526 --> 00:28:17,796 - March 30th, 1992 is Oscar night. 623 00:28:18,997 --> 00:28:20,432 Sometime earlier, the film's director, 624 00:28:20,465 --> 00:28:22,367 Jonathan Demme told reporters, 625 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,969 "We created Hollywood's greatest villain 626 00:28:25,003 --> 00:28:26,938 since Norman Bates in Psycho." 627 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:30,542 So when MC Billy Crystal enters the stage 628 00:28:30,575 --> 00:28:32,777 wearing the Hannibal Lecter mask, 629 00:28:32,811 --> 00:28:35,213 Hopkins realizes that whatever the verdict, 630 00:28:35,246 --> 00:28:38,516 his interpretation of a fearsomely intelligent psychopath 631 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:39,784 is now legendary, 632 00:28:39,818 --> 00:28:43,154 and that it has propelled him to the ranks of the greatest. 633 00:28:44,923 --> 00:28:47,092 - His competitors in the best actor category 634 00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:49,260 are Warren Beatty, Robert De Niro, 635 00:28:49,294 --> 00:28:51,362 Nick Nolte, and Robin Williams. 636 00:29:01,206 --> 00:29:04,275 Hopkins would later say that the evening was life changing, 637 00:29:04,309 --> 00:29:06,111 and that he finally felt legitimate 638 00:29:06,144 --> 00:29:09,380 and accepted in this world that was not meant for him. 639 00:29:14,452 --> 00:29:16,988 - I'm having some of the academy over for dinner. 640 00:29:17,021 --> 00:29:18,356 Care to join me? 641 00:29:20,492 --> 00:29:21,292 - Yes, anytime. 642 00:29:21,326 --> 00:29:22,427 - Anytime. 643 00:29:24,028 --> 00:29:24,896 Good evening. 644 00:29:26,097 --> 00:29:28,500 - Welcome, live at the St. James's Club LA, 645 00:29:28,533 --> 00:29:31,169 cuddly cannibal, Anthony Hopkins. 646 00:29:39,344 --> 00:29:41,946 - Anthony, welcome and congratulations. 647 00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:43,515 - Thank you, Terry. 648 00:29:43,548 --> 00:29:45,517 - Well, one of the reasons that I'm interviewing you 649 00:29:45,550 --> 00:29:50,321 so far away, is because quite frankly, after that movie, 650 00:29:50,355 --> 00:29:52,123 I'm fairly apprehensive of you, 651 00:29:52,157 --> 00:29:54,425 and I imagine that most people 652 00:29:54,459 --> 00:29:56,327 wouldn't really want to sit beside you at dinner. 653 00:29:56,361 --> 00:29:57,228 Would they? 654 00:29:59,264 --> 00:30:01,966 - No, they all get up and leave. 655 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,968 When I go into a restaurant, people just get up and leave. 656 00:30:05,270 --> 00:30:08,173 No, people don't respond in any different way. 657 00:30:08,206 --> 00:30:10,208 I tell them I'm a vegetarian. 658 00:30:12,911 --> 00:30:14,312 - With an Oscar in his pocket, 659 00:30:14,345 --> 00:30:16,948 Anthony Hopkins becomes one of Hollywood's 660 00:30:16,981 --> 00:30:18,383 highest paid actors. 661 00:30:19,317 --> 00:30:21,653 In 1992, Francis Ford Coppola 662 00:30:21,686 --> 00:30:25,056 offers him the role of the vampire hunter in Dracula, 663 00:30:25,089 --> 00:30:27,592 an adaptation of the Bram Stoker novel. 664 00:30:27,625 --> 00:30:29,594 Scar on his face, crucifix in hand, 665 00:30:29,627 --> 00:30:32,564 Anthony Hopkins is in his element. 666 00:30:35,266 --> 00:30:37,936 Alongside Gary Oldman as Count Dracula, 667 00:30:37,969 --> 00:30:40,238 Winona Ryder, and Keanu Reeves, 668 00:30:40,271 --> 00:30:42,240 Anthony Hopkins immerses himself 669 00:30:42,273 --> 00:30:45,510 in the obsessive filming and rehearsals imposed by Coppola, 670 00:30:45,543 --> 00:30:48,313 a man known to push his actors to their limits. 671 00:30:50,415 --> 00:30:53,184 - Let's stop the presses. 672 00:30:53,218 --> 00:30:55,153 - We don't have to change it. 673 00:30:55,186 --> 00:30:56,120 We don't have to print it out. 674 00:30:56,154 --> 00:30:57,288 - No but we should. 675 00:30:57,322 --> 00:30:58,256 You have all these reasons, 676 00:30:58,289 --> 00:30:59,591 every time we pin it down, 677 00:30:59,624 --> 00:31:02,227 it's another nail out of my coffin. 678 00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:07,665 - We were up in Napa where we started rehearsing 679 00:31:07,699 --> 00:31:10,235 at his home, this big sound stage. 680 00:31:10,268 --> 00:31:12,270 And he said, "I want us to read 681 00:31:12,303 --> 00:31:15,707 the whole book together, aloud." 682 00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:17,175 It took two days. 683 00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:18,676 And he said, "because I want us to absorb, 684 00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:20,645 all of us, to absorb the book." 685 00:31:20,678 --> 00:31:24,115 It was a marathon to read that book. 686 00:31:24,148 --> 00:31:26,651 I don't have an analytical mind. 687 00:31:26,684 --> 00:31:29,220 I'm not a very bright or intellectual man. 688 00:31:29,254 --> 00:31:34,425 So I have a good instinct. 689 00:31:35,627 --> 00:31:37,295 And my theory, for what it's worth, 690 00:31:37,328 --> 00:31:40,632 is to know the text so well, the script so well, 691 00:31:40,665 --> 00:31:42,634 because the word is powerful. 692 00:31:43,768 --> 00:31:45,336 That's all I have to do. 693 00:31:45,370 --> 00:31:47,138 That's all I'm capable of doing. 694 00:31:47,171 --> 00:31:49,741 I used to have a neurosis about not learning lines 695 00:31:49,774 --> 00:31:51,242 and not being able to remember texts. 696 00:31:51,276 --> 00:31:53,678 One of my actor's nightmares is to show up 697 00:31:53,711 --> 00:31:54,913 and not know the lines. 698 00:31:54,946 --> 00:31:59,417 So maybe I overcompensate, but I find that by learning it, 699 00:31:59,450 --> 00:32:04,255 it gives me a sense of ease and confidence 700 00:32:04,289 --> 00:32:07,091 to walk on the set or the stage of wherever I'm doing, 701 00:32:07,125 --> 00:32:10,361 and know that I know, that I know how to do it. 702 00:32:13,631 --> 00:32:16,034 Well, that was a very confined movie to be on 703 00:32:16,067 --> 00:32:18,202 because Francis Ford Coppola, 704 00:32:18,236 --> 00:32:22,473 brilliant director as he is, he's a great controller. 705 00:32:22,507 --> 00:32:23,474 He controls everything. 706 00:32:23,508 --> 00:32:25,376 So you don't get much choice. 707 00:32:25,410 --> 00:32:28,546 And I fought for my choice to make Van Helsing 708 00:32:28,579 --> 00:32:30,081 like an insane madman, 709 00:32:30,114 --> 00:32:33,451 wanted him to be this uproarious rebel, 710 00:32:33,484 --> 00:32:37,055 and seer, and bad man. 711 00:32:37,088 --> 00:32:40,124 I had a scar, he fought a duel and all that stuff. 712 00:32:40,158 --> 00:32:43,695 And so I concocted it myself, I don't know how it came out. 713 00:32:43,728 --> 00:32:47,065 Jesus, God, I command you in the name of Christ! 714 00:32:52,136 --> 00:32:53,004 No! 715 00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:56,474 No! 716 00:32:56,507 --> 00:32:59,811 And I had to take out some rather 717 00:32:59,844 --> 00:33:02,480 - In 1992, there's a change of scenery 718 00:33:02,513 --> 00:33:06,284 and a decisive encounter in Anthony Hopkins career. 719 00:33:06,317 --> 00:33:08,219 He joins the filming of Howards End, 720 00:33:08,252 --> 00:33:10,722 a period film directed by James Ivory. 721 00:33:12,423 --> 00:33:14,559 This film will mark the beginning of their collaboration, 722 00:33:14,592 --> 00:33:17,328 which will continue with The Remains of the Day, 723 00:33:17,362 --> 00:33:19,030 and Surviving Picasso. 724 00:33:21,632 --> 00:33:22,433 That's what I like 725 00:33:22,467 --> 00:33:24,802 about working in film. 726 00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:26,604 You just go along with it. 727 00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:31,809 The more relaxed you are, I think the easier it is. 728 00:33:31,843 --> 00:33:35,847 And I like it this way because it's effortless. 729 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,351 I learn the lines very very well, and very methodically. 730 00:33:40,385 --> 00:33:41,719 So that I can improvise, 731 00:33:41,753 --> 00:33:45,790 and make them sound real on each take. 732 00:33:45,823 --> 00:33:46,791 Scene 59F, Take 1. 733 00:33:46,824 --> 00:33:51,095 - So I don't have that sweat or that tension, 734 00:33:51,129 --> 00:33:53,531 by not knowing the lines. 735 00:33:53,564 --> 00:33:55,666 My relationship to directors has changed. 736 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,403 I used to fight them, now I don't. 737 00:33:58,436 --> 00:33:59,570 I think that they do the best they can, 738 00:33:59,604 --> 00:34:01,406 and I do the best I can. 739 00:34:02,607 --> 00:34:03,674 We seem to get on fine now, 740 00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:06,210 which is a great new change for me. 741 00:34:06,244 --> 00:34:08,846 My dear Helen, I grieve for your clerk. 742 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,314 I really do. 743 00:34:10,348 --> 00:34:12,216 But it is all part of the battle of life. 744 00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:13,518 - The battle of life? 745 00:34:13,551 --> 00:34:14,852 - Yes. 746 00:34:14,886 --> 00:34:15,887 - A man who had little money, has less. 747 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,155 Owing to us. 748 00:34:17,188 --> 00:34:18,156 - Oh come, come. 749 00:34:18,189 --> 00:34:18,823 Anyway, you're not to blame. 750 00:34:18,856 --> 00:34:19,724 No one is to blame. 751 00:34:19,757 --> 00:34:20,725 - No one? 752 00:34:20,758 --> 00:34:22,527 Oh is no one to blame for it? 753 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,462 - I didn't say that. 754 00:34:24,495 --> 00:34:26,264 You take things far too seriously. 755 00:34:27,465 --> 00:34:30,268 My dear Helen, I grieve for your clerk. 756 00:34:30,301 --> 00:34:31,536 I really do. 757 00:34:31,569 --> 00:34:33,271 But it is all part of the battle of life. 758 00:34:33,304 --> 00:34:34,605 - The battle of life? 759 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:35,807 - Yes. 760 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,574 - A man who had little money, has less. 761 00:34:36,607 --> 00:34:37,608 Owing to us. 762 00:34:37,642 --> 00:34:38,576 - Oh come, come. 763 00:34:38,609 --> 00:34:39,577 You're not to blame. 764 00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:40,445 No one is to blame. 765 00:34:40,478 --> 00:34:41,512 - No one? 766 00:34:41,546 --> 00:34:42,547 Is no one to blame for anything? 767 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,148 - I didn't say that. 768 00:34:44,182 --> 00:34:45,917 You take things far too seriously. 769 00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:47,885 - How did you get a handle on the character 770 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,487 you played in that? 771 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,755 - It was the mustache did it. 772 00:34:50,788 --> 00:34:51,622 - Oh? 773 00:34:51,656 --> 00:34:52,857 - Yeah. 774 00:34:52,890 --> 00:34:55,259 So I went to the makeup room and they said, 775 00:34:55,293 --> 00:34:56,594 "Would you wear a mustache in this?" 776 00:34:56,627 --> 00:34:58,229 I said, "Well, I haven't grown one, no." 777 00:34:58,262 --> 00:35:00,198 She said, "Well, I've got one for you." 778 00:35:00,231 --> 00:35:01,399 I said, "Okay, well let's put it on." 779 00:35:01,432 --> 00:35:03,501 I put it on, and I said, "There's the man." 780 00:35:03,534 --> 00:35:06,204 And it made me feel like my grandfather, 781 00:35:06,237 --> 00:35:08,439 my father's father, he was a strict Victorian. 782 00:35:08,473 --> 00:35:11,409 And I looked in the mirror, and I thought, "That's him." 783 00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:12,543 And it did something to my eyes, 784 00:35:12,577 --> 00:35:13,644 it did something to my face, 785 00:35:13,678 --> 00:35:15,613 it give it a sort of edge. 786 00:35:15,646 --> 00:35:17,415 And it made my eyes stand out. 787 00:35:17,448 --> 00:35:18,916 I thought this man is a ruthless man, 788 00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:20,651 and he's a tough man, 789 00:35:20,685 --> 00:35:22,820 and I could see him in the dark suit. 790 00:35:22,854 --> 00:35:24,856 So I didn't have to do much work on top of that. 791 00:35:24,889 --> 00:35:27,625 There is Henry Wilcox. 792 00:35:27,658 --> 00:35:28,759 Henry. 793 00:35:30,361 --> 00:35:33,364 I call it the mask, and it doesn't even have to be makeup. 794 00:35:33,397 --> 00:35:35,900 It can be a pair of shoes, or it can be a jacket. 795 00:35:35,933 --> 00:35:37,969 And I remember Remains of the Day, 796 00:35:38,002 --> 00:35:41,205 my first day was wearing a rain coat. 797 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,709 Because it was raining, and getting into a car, 798 00:35:44,742 --> 00:35:46,344 and then turning up on the location, 799 00:35:46,377 --> 00:35:48,846 and I looked in the mirror and it was my own grandfather 800 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,915 looking back at me. 801 00:35:50,948 --> 00:35:55,820 He used to wear a coat like that and a green felt hat. 802 00:35:55,853 --> 00:35:57,455 And I looked, and I thought, "That's him," 803 00:35:57,488 --> 00:36:00,558 and I felt everything transform inside me slightly, 804 00:36:00,591 --> 00:36:02,493 and it all came to life. 805 00:36:04,829 --> 00:36:07,732 You must take good care of yourself Mrs. Benn. 806 00:36:07,765 --> 00:36:10,334 - You too, Mr. Stevens, promise me that. 807 00:36:10,368 --> 00:36:11,869 - Oh yes, I promise. 808 00:36:11,903 --> 00:36:13,004 You must try to do all you can 809 00:36:13,037 --> 00:36:14,839 to make these years happy ones 810 00:36:14,872 --> 00:36:16,641 for yourself and for your husband. 811 00:36:17,909 --> 00:36:19,677 I don't know why I play those repressed men. 812 00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:21,546 Maybe I am like that, I don't know. 813 00:36:21,579 --> 00:36:22,847 I'm pretty shy. 814 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,284 I'm not very gregarious. 815 00:36:26,317 --> 00:36:29,754 I'm not gregarious at all really, I have very few friends, 816 00:36:29,787 --> 00:36:33,758 but I'm happy in my way. 817 00:36:33,791 --> 00:36:36,961 I like to be on my own a lot. 818 00:36:36,994 --> 00:36:40,498 I'm married, and have a wife, and a few friends, 819 00:36:40,531 --> 00:36:44,902 but I prefer my own company most of the time. 820 00:36:44,936 --> 00:36:48,472 So maybe that's why they cast me in these strange parts. 821 00:36:49,774 --> 00:36:51,876 - Anthony Hopkins and Emma Thompson reunite 822 00:36:51,909 --> 00:36:54,712 in James Ivory's The Remains of the Day, 823 00:36:54,745 --> 00:36:56,414 a year after Howards End. 824 00:36:57,882 --> 00:36:59,850 In this film, they play a butler and a housekeeper 825 00:36:59,884 --> 00:37:01,986 caught in a silent, romantic relationship 826 00:37:02,019 --> 00:37:04,755 subject to the weight of conventions. 827 00:37:04,789 --> 00:37:08,025 Here, Hopkins slips into the skin of the most introverted, 828 00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:11,529 subtle, and almost ghostly character of his career. 829 00:37:12,597 --> 00:37:14,732 - I'm invading your private time. Am I? 830 00:37:14,765 --> 00:37:15,633 - Yes. 831 00:37:17,001 --> 00:37:18,803 - What's in that book? 832 00:37:18,836 --> 00:37:20,805 Come on, let me see. 833 00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:23,674 Or are you protecting me? 834 00:37:23,708 --> 00:37:24,976 Is that what you're doing? 835 00:37:26,777 --> 00:37:27,745 Would I be shocked? 836 00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:30,915 - Anthony Hopkins is the perfect repressed 837 00:37:30,948 --> 00:37:33,451 English gentleman, because he has all the niceties 838 00:37:33,484 --> 00:37:34,418 on the outside, you know? 839 00:37:34,452 --> 00:37:35,653 He knows how to be presentable, 840 00:37:35,686 --> 00:37:40,358 and how to bring tea properly, 841 00:37:40,391 --> 00:37:42,593 and yet you never feel a coldness. 842 00:37:42,627 --> 00:37:43,995 You always feel that underneath, 843 00:37:44,028 --> 00:37:47,398 there's this terrifically warm, big, beautiful heart 844 00:37:47,431 --> 00:37:49,467 that yearns to come out. 845 00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:51,736 And that's when those movies really work, 846 00:37:51,769 --> 00:37:55,339 when those very sort of prissy English characters 847 00:37:55,373 --> 00:37:56,774 aren't just what they are on the outside, 848 00:37:56,807 --> 00:37:58,609 but that you can intuit 849 00:37:58,643 --> 00:38:00,544 that inside is somebody who's really yearning 850 00:38:00,578 --> 00:38:03,581 to get beyond this Victorian repression. 851 00:38:04,649 --> 00:38:05,816 - I read these books. 852 00:38:06,817 --> 00:38:09,920 Any books to develop my command 853 00:38:09,954 --> 00:38:11,922 and knowledge of the English language. 854 00:38:13,124 --> 00:38:16,527 I read to further my education, Miss Kenton. 855 00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:22,033 - But there were a few things you do in Howards End, 856 00:38:22,066 --> 00:38:23,734 which struck me as being not only brilliant, 857 00:38:23,768 --> 00:38:25,469 and very moving, 858 00:38:25,503 --> 00:38:26,570 but also, I can't imagine they were in the script. 859 00:38:26,604 --> 00:38:29,373 In particular, the character you play, Mr. Wilcox. 860 00:38:29,407 --> 00:38:30,541 - Yeah. 861 00:38:30,574 --> 00:38:33,044 - There are two events in the movie when he's talking 862 00:38:33,077 --> 00:38:34,779 about something shameful in his past, 863 00:38:34,812 --> 00:38:39,016 and both times he does not wish to be looked upon. 864 00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:40,785 He doesn't want to make eye contact with his wife. 865 00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:42,620 He kind of hides his face away. 866 00:38:42,653 --> 00:38:43,587 Do you remember those ones? 867 00:38:43,621 --> 00:38:44,455 - Oh, I did that. 868 00:38:44,488 --> 00:38:45,523 - Yeah. 869 00:38:46,657 --> 00:38:49,060 - So you were that woman's lover? 870 00:38:50,661 --> 00:38:53,497 - To put it with your usual delicacy, yes, I was. 871 00:38:53,531 --> 00:38:54,398 - When? 872 00:38:55,633 --> 00:38:56,600 When, please? 873 00:38:56,634 --> 00:38:57,635 - 10 years ago! 874 00:39:00,204 --> 00:39:01,639 I'm sorry, 10 years ago. 875 00:39:03,074 --> 00:39:05,142 I don't know, maybe I'd seen it in a movie somewhere. 876 00:39:05,176 --> 00:39:08,145 I think Charles Laughton did it in Hunchback of Notre Dame 877 00:39:08,179 --> 00:39:09,413 or something, he hid his face. 878 00:39:09,447 --> 00:39:10,414 It may have been... 879 00:39:10,448 --> 00:39:11,982 Yeah, I think it was that. 880 00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:12,950 Maybe I stole it. 881 00:39:12,983 --> 00:39:15,019 It's a good piece to steal. 882 00:39:16,487 --> 00:39:18,689 He's, "How ugly I am," and he put his... 883 00:39:19,623 --> 00:39:20,925 I think I stole that. 884 00:39:20,958 --> 00:39:22,159 - It's a wonderful moment, 885 00:39:22,193 --> 00:39:23,928 and it really breaks through as well because- 886 00:39:23,961 --> 00:39:25,730 - Oh, and then he breaks down doesn't he, 887 00:39:25,763 --> 00:39:26,964 at the end? 888 00:39:26,997 --> 00:39:27,965 - At the end he does, yeah. 889 00:39:27,998 --> 00:39:29,100 - He couldn't bear to be seen crying. 890 00:39:29,133 --> 00:39:30,134 Yes, showing of emotion. 891 00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:32,536 I'm sorry. 892 00:39:32,570 --> 00:39:34,171 I think that's why I have a lot in common 893 00:39:34,205 --> 00:39:35,573 with these characters. 894 00:39:35,606 --> 00:39:38,008 I don't like bearing emotion much. 895 00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:40,945 Maybe it's a British thing, maybe it's a male thing. 896 00:39:40,978 --> 00:39:42,213 But I don't like it. 897 00:39:42,246 --> 00:39:45,216 I don't like displays of tears and, you know. 898 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:54,592 - But I don't feel like an actor. 899 00:39:54,625 --> 00:39:56,794 I don't know what the hell an actor is. 900 00:39:56,827 --> 00:40:00,564 I feel like I'm a member of the circus most of the time. 901 00:40:00,598 --> 00:40:01,799 You travel around the world. 902 00:40:01,832 --> 00:40:03,734 You travel around, you arrive in cities, 903 00:40:03,768 --> 00:40:07,838 and arrive on locations, do the job and then go home. 904 00:40:07,872 --> 00:40:13,043 As I get older, I just feel that's all I do is a job. 905 00:40:16,147 --> 00:40:17,548 It's nothing more, nothing less. 906 00:40:17,581 --> 00:40:20,184 It happens to be well-paid and it's public. 907 00:40:21,552 --> 00:40:23,554 And I have my father's attitude. 908 00:40:23,587 --> 00:40:25,689 It's like my father is inside me now. 909 00:40:25,723 --> 00:40:28,793 The more I see photographs of myself sometimes, 910 00:40:28,826 --> 00:40:30,861 and I look just like my father. 911 00:40:30,895 --> 00:40:34,498 And he's alive and well in me, I think. 912 00:40:34,532 --> 00:40:37,635 I have his attitudes, his values, and all the rest of it. 913 00:40:38,936 --> 00:40:40,137 He had a tough life 914 00:40:40,171 --> 00:40:42,907 and I've had a very easy life, comparatively. 915 00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:45,209 Actually, I have a very easy life, period. 916 00:40:45,242 --> 00:40:47,611 I'm just one of those very fortunate ones. 917 00:40:52,817 --> 00:40:54,952 I tend to be very unpredictable and moody. 918 00:40:56,754 --> 00:40:59,690 See, I go into a situation and say, "Oh hi there. Mm-hmm." 919 00:40:59,723 --> 00:41:01,058 You know, I want to be liked. 920 00:41:01,091 --> 00:41:04,195 So I go into a movie set or to a new play, 921 00:41:04,228 --> 00:41:07,631 whatever, and I'm Mr. Friendly, Mr. Nice guy 922 00:41:07,665 --> 00:41:09,166 because I want to be liked. 923 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,769 I want to be pleasant to everyone. 924 00:41:11,802 --> 00:41:13,737 And then suddenly somebody steps on my toes, 925 00:41:13,771 --> 00:41:16,006 and I go off like a firecracker. 926 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,542 - Got to see him on a couple of cranky days, 927 00:41:18,576 --> 00:41:21,712 when Sir Tony would turn cranky 928 00:41:21,745 --> 00:41:24,048 and that was good fun, very entertaining. 929 00:41:24,081 --> 00:41:27,084 And I'm telling you when Tony's cranky, 930 00:41:27,117 --> 00:41:28,052 the Red Sea parts. 931 00:41:29,854 --> 00:41:33,324 In fact, forget Moses, if I was casting God, 932 00:41:33,357 --> 00:41:35,559 I would cast Sir Tony. 933 00:41:35,593 --> 00:41:38,028 Sir Anthony Hopkins, because he has a force. 934 00:41:41,332 --> 00:41:42,800 It's a romantic fantasy 935 00:41:42,833 --> 00:41:46,971 I have of the loner, the lone wolf who... 936 00:41:47,004 --> 00:41:51,775 the lone person who doesn't need any affection. 937 00:41:51,809 --> 00:41:52,943 That's part of my life, actually. 938 00:41:52,977 --> 00:41:56,113 I think I can do very well without affection and love. 939 00:41:57,948 --> 00:42:01,285 It doesn't bode well for a good life, a full life, 940 00:42:01,318 --> 00:42:03,721 but I am capable of withdrawing from people 941 00:42:03,754 --> 00:42:05,289 and closing myself off. 942 00:42:06,757 --> 00:42:09,059 Maybe it's a form of martyrdom. 943 00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:14,098 I used to turn savagely on people. 944 00:42:14,131 --> 00:42:16,233 I'd get rid of people, get rid of friends 945 00:42:16,267 --> 00:42:18,002 and they'd wonder what had happened. 946 00:42:18,035 --> 00:42:20,638 And then recently, over the last year, I guess, 947 00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:23,908 something changed in me, 948 00:42:23,941 --> 00:42:26,010 and I thought life's too short to do all this. 949 00:42:26,043 --> 00:42:27,344 I have a few friends, 950 00:42:27,378 --> 00:42:29,680 and I'm very lucky to have them in my life. 951 00:42:30,414 --> 00:42:31,582 Really lucky. 952 00:42:31,615 --> 00:42:35,252 Because they see me walking straight into the jaws of hell, 953 00:42:35,286 --> 00:42:36,253 because I am naive. 954 00:42:36,287 --> 00:42:38,088 I am easily taken in by people, 955 00:42:38,122 --> 00:42:41,091 and that's my main fault, I guess. 956 00:42:41,125 --> 00:42:44,929 My main defect is that I'm very naive. 957 00:42:46,363 --> 00:42:49,633 I'm told that I have a nature which is complex. 958 00:42:49,667 --> 00:42:52,703 I don't feel complex actually, I feel quite a simpleton. 959 00:42:56,340 --> 00:42:57,942 - Anthony Hopkins grew up thinking 960 00:42:57,975 --> 00:42:59,777 he wasn't worth much. 961 00:42:59,810 --> 00:43:03,080 A withdrawn child without any particular talent. 962 00:43:03,113 --> 00:43:06,283 In Port Talbot, Wales, people called him, "Dumbo". 963 00:43:07,985 --> 00:43:10,354 Although he never intended to get revenge, 964 00:43:10,387 --> 00:43:12,656 he manages to find a place in a Hollywood 965 00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:15,292 that likes to pigeonhole its actors. 966 00:43:15,326 --> 00:43:17,294 He draws his strength and talent 967 00:43:17,328 --> 00:43:19,396 from not fitting into any mold. 968 00:43:25,102 --> 00:43:27,171 He proves it again, when Oliver Stone, 969 00:43:27,204 --> 00:43:29,940 against all expectations chooses him, 970 00:43:29,974 --> 00:43:32,242 the most English actor in Hollywood 971 00:43:32,276 --> 00:43:35,245 to play the typical American by changing again. 972 00:43:35,279 --> 00:43:37,948 But this time, in the role of President Nixon. 973 00:43:42,987 --> 00:43:44,321 - He was scared shitless 974 00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:48,125 because, "How can I be Nixon? 975 00:43:48,158 --> 00:43:50,461 They're going to see me as a fraud." 976 00:43:50,494 --> 00:43:52,863 You're Welsh, you're not English. 977 00:43:52,896 --> 00:43:54,198 You're Welsh, there's a big difference. 978 00:43:54,231 --> 00:43:55,466 And I said, "You're halfway there already. 979 00:43:55,499 --> 00:43:56,900 You're in the Atlantic anyway. 980 00:43:56,934 --> 00:43:59,003 You're not far." 981 00:43:59,036 --> 00:44:00,871 I said, "There's something in your spirit, 982 00:44:00,904 --> 00:44:03,040 which is obstinate, stubborn, 983 00:44:03,073 --> 00:44:06,310 and yet has a great misunderstood quality." 984 00:44:06,343 --> 00:44:08,812 - I've got to keep fighting, Buddy, for the country. 985 00:44:08,846 --> 00:44:12,216 These people running things, the elite. 986 00:44:12,249 --> 00:44:14,885 They're just soft chicken-shit faggots. 987 00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:18,822 They don't have the long-term vision anymore. 988 00:44:18,856 --> 00:44:21,258 They just want to cover their ass, and meet girls, 989 00:44:21,291 --> 00:44:23,427 and tear each other down. 990 00:44:23,460 --> 00:44:27,831 Oh God, this country's in deep, deep, deep trouble, Buddy. 991 00:44:27,865 --> 00:44:29,299 Got into the psychology of the man. 992 00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:30,467 I understood his paranoia. 993 00:44:30,501 --> 00:44:35,072 I understood his loneliness, his terrors, 994 00:44:35,105 --> 00:44:40,144 his bleakness of life, and the lies he told. 995 00:44:40,177 --> 00:44:44,381 He was caught in a morass of such lies. 996 00:44:45,883 --> 00:44:49,753 And I felt sorry for him because he was always the outsider. 997 00:44:59,997 --> 00:45:03,734 When they look at you, they see what they want to be. 998 00:45:07,271 --> 00:45:11,141 When they look at me, they see what they are. 999 00:45:14,878 --> 00:45:17,247 Well I had no illusions I was going to be Cary Grant 1000 00:45:17,281 --> 00:45:19,183 or Robert Redford. 1001 00:45:19,216 --> 00:45:21,852 And any moment that they tried to do something like that 1002 00:45:21,885 --> 00:45:24,455 or someone said, "This is a..." 1003 00:45:24,488 --> 00:45:26,190 That sort of part to give me, 1004 00:45:26,223 --> 00:45:31,328 I knew I was what they would call a "character actor." 1005 00:45:34,998 --> 00:45:36,266 Bly, I was always very chunky. 1006 00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:37,401 I'm not a leading man actor. 1007 00:45:37,434 --> 00:45:42,973 I'm not Brad Pitt, or Robert Redford, or Tom Cruise. 1008 00:45:43,874 --> 00:45:44,775 Those are leading movie stars. 1009 00:45:44,808 --> 00:45:47,311 I'm not a movie star, I'm a movie actor. 1010 00:45:49,146 --> 00:45:51,982 - And it's in Meet Joe Black in 1998, 1011 00:45:52,015 --> 00:45:54,518 that the actor completely changes his register. 1012 00:45:54,551 --> 00:45:56,954 Playing a billionaire at the end of his life, 1013 00:45:56,987 --> 00:45:59,423 opposite Brad Pitt, who incarnates death 1014 00:45:59,456 --> 00:46:01,992 coming to take him on his last trip. 1015 00:46:03,594 --> 00:46:05,028 - The question. 1016 00:46:11,034 --> 00:46:12,536 - Am I going to die? 1017 00:46:23,547 --> 00:46:24,581 - Yes. 1018 00:46:25,716 --> 00:46:28,252 - This is the second time that the two actors 1019 00:46:28,285 --> 00:46:31,922 meet on a movie set, four years after starring together 1020 00:46:31,955 --> 00:46:33,157 in Legends of the Fall. 1021 00:46:34,625 --> 00:46:37,194 There isn't an actor on one side and a star on the other, 1022 00:46:37,227 --> 00:46:41,031 but rather two generations that mirror each other. 1023 00:46:41,064 --> 00:46:42,499 Their duo makes this film, 1024 00:46:42,533 --> 00:46:45,102 which is often underestimated by critics, 1025 00:46:45,135 --> 00:46:48,238 an astonishing allegory on life and death. 1026 00:46:51,441 --> 00:46:52,409 - Who am I? 1027 00:47:04,321 --> 00:47:05,189 - Death. 1028 00:47:06,423 --> 00:47:08,659 - How would I want to be remembered? 1029 00:47:08,692 --> 00:47:11,028 I certainly don't want any longer to be remembered 1030 00:47:11,061 --> 00:47:12,963 as that nice guy, you know? 1031 00:47:12,996 --> 00:47:14,932 The guy who does the Tommy Cooper jokes anymore. 1032 00:47:14,965 --> 00:47:16,600 I don't want to be that anymore. 1033 00:47:17,668 --> 00:47:20,003 I don't really give a damn. 1034 00:47:32,649 --> 00:47:34,051 Should I be afraid? 1035 00:47:36,553 --> 00:47:37,621 - Not a man like you. 1036 00:47:47,698 --> 00:47:49,166 - We should bring in a better light. 1037 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:51,435 - In 2001, he returns to the cell 1038 00:47:51,468 --> 00:47:53,403 that made him an icon. 1039 00:47:53,437 --> 00:47:56,073 10 years after The Silence of The Lambs, 1040 00:47:56,106 --> 00:47:59,343 Anthony Hopkins puts on the Hannibal Lecter mask again, 1041 00:47:59,376 --> 00:48:02,079 and plays in the two other films in the trilogy, 1042 00:48:02,112 --> 00:48:04,081 Hannibal and Red Dragon. 1043 00:48:06,016 --> 00:48:10,120 - I did have some misgivings about doing this third one 1044 00:48:10,153 --> 00:48:12,623 because I thought, "Well I've done it now. 1045 00:48:12,656 --> 00:48:14,091 So I can't get any more mileage out of it," 1046 00:48:14,124 --> 00:48:17,261 because it becomes boring and tedious. 1047 00:48:17,294 --> 00:48:21,431 And I thought, "Well, it wouldn't harm to do one more," 1048 00:48:21,465 --> 00:48:24,701 as long as I'm more of a background figure, I think. 1049 00:48:24,735 --> 00:48:26,303 More of a shadowy figure. 1050 00:48:27,738 --> 00:48:30,274 I can't go on hitting the bullseye all the time. 1051 00:48:30,307 --> 00:48:32,109 You're going to make some bad films, 1052 00:48:32,142 --> 00:48:34,444 and I made a number of bad films. 1053 00:48:34,478 --> 00:48:39,483 I made probably on one hand, maybe four good films. 1054 00:48:39,516 --> 00:48:41,385 Most of the ones have been mediocre. 1055 00:48:45,389 --> 00:48:48,158 I am a terrible liar, you see, I'll tell my agent, 1056 00:48:48,191 --> 00:48:49,526 "Yeah, I've read the script." 1057 00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:51,762 And then I wake up after they've committed me 1058 00:48:51,795 --> 00:48:53,363 and I say, "God almighty." 1059 00:48:53,397 --> 00:48:55,198 I did that recently on the thing called Bad Company. 1060 00:48:55,232 --> 00:48:57,134 I thought, "What the hell have I done this for?" 1061 00:48:57,167 --> 00:48:59,136 But I tend to do that because I'm stupid, 1062 00:48:59,169 --> 00:49:00,771 or greedy, or impatient. 1063 00:49:00,804 --> 00:49:02,239 And I think if I don't say, "Yes," 1064 00:49:02,272 --> 00:49:03,540 they'll give it to somebody else. 1065 00:49:04,441 --> 00:49:06,043 Those are my motives. 1066 00:49:06,076 --> 00:49:08,378 That's what a refined actor I am, 1067 00:49:08,412 --> 00:49:10,347 how I've planned my career. 1068 00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:12,582 - Anthony Hopkins spends the 2000s 1069 00:49:12,616 --> 00:49:14,151 moving from set to set. 1070 00:49:14,184 --> 00:49:16,219 He has a series of blockbusters, 1071 00:49:16,253 --> 00:49:18,522 such as Thor and Transformers, 1072 00:49:18,555 --> 00:49:20,557 but he returns to what he does best 1073 00:49:20,590 --> 00:49:22,259 in the biopic Hitchcock, 1074 00:49:22,292 --> 00:49:25,262 in which he brings the famous English suspense genius, 1075 00:49:25,295 --> 00:49:27,664 Sir Alfred Hitchcock to life. 1076 00:49:27,698 --> 00:49:30,434 The film highlights the influence of his wife, Alma, 1077 00:49:30,467 --> 00:49:33,103 played by Helen Mirren, on the master's work. 1078 00:49:34,071 --> 00:49:36,473 - Just think of the shock value. 1079 00:49:36,506 --> 00:49:40,243 Killing off your leading lady halfway through. 1080 00:49:41,745 --> 00:49:45,282 I mean you are intrigued, are you not my dear? 1081 00:49:47,250 --> 00:49:49,453 Come on, admit it. 1082 00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:50,354 Admit it. 1083 00:49:51,555 --> 00:49:53,657 - Actually I think it's a huge mistake. 1084 00:49:58,161 --> 00:49:59,596 You shouldn't wait until halfway through, 1085 00:49:59,629 --> 00:50:01,732 kill her off after 30 minutes. 1086 00:50:04,167 --> 00:50:05,035 - Well. 1087 00:50:07,304 --> 00:50:09,806 - Fortunately, Hitchcock listened to his wife 1088 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,176 and killed his heroin after more than 30 minutes. 1089 00:50:13,210 --> 00:50:16,646 Today, the shower scene is recognized as a classic. 1090 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:17,814 - More, more! 1091 00:50:18,815 --> 00:50:19,783 - No. 1092 00:50:19,816 --> 00:50:20,650 - Use some guts! 1093 00:50:21,551 --> 00:50:22,552 - C'mon! 1094 00:50:22,586 --> 00:50:23,553 - Ow, ow. 1095 00:50:23,587 --> 00:50:25,322 - No, more anger! 1096 00:50:25,355 --> 00:50:26,656 - Ow. 1097 00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:27,924 - All right, cut, cut, cut! 1098 00:50:27,958 --> 00:50:32,496 For god's sake, would someone get me a proper stunt double? 1099 00:50:33,363 --> 00:50:34,464 Now give me the knife. 1100 00:50:34,498 --> 00:50:36,133 Like this! 1101 00:50:37,901 --> 00:50:39,403 Ungovernable rage! 1102 00:50:43,306 --> 00:50:44,775 Homicidal violence! 1103 00:50:46,676 --> 00:50:48,111 - You've never really done anything 1104 00:50:48,145 --> 00:50:49,880 as good as Psycho, have you? 1105 00:50:49,913 --> 00:50:51,248 - Psycho? 1106 00:50:52,249 --> 00:50:53,483 Should I tell you that story? 1107 00:50:53,517 --> 00:50:55,118 Yeah, somebody asked me for my autograph once, 1108 00:50:55,152 --> 00:50:57,220 and I went up and signed this autograph 1109 00:50:57,254 --> 00:50:58,555 and she said, "You don't look anything 1110 00:50:58,588 --> 00:51:00,157 like you did in Psycho." 1111 00:51:00,190 --> 00:51:01,558 - Is it in just the name, Hopkins, Perkins? 1112 00:51:01,591 --> 00:51:03,660 - Hopkins, Perkins, I think they get... 1113 00:51:04,828 --> 00:51:08,231 I promise you, I was down in Bristol. 1114 00:51:08,265 --> 00:51:10,534 I was filming with Lesley Ann Down. 1115 00:51:10,567 --> 00:51:14,738 The assistant director said, "The station master's wife 1116 00:51:14,771 --> 00:51:15,705 would love to see you. 1117 00:51:15,739 --> 00:51:16,807 She's a great fan of yours." 1118 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,508 I said, "Oh, show me the way." 1119 00:51:18,542 --> 00:51:20,877 So, we went in and I thought, "Well, where is she?" 1120 00:51:20,911 --> 00:51:23,146 And she said, "Oh, you don't look 1121 00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:25,315 anything like you did in Psycho." 1122 00:51:26,583 --> 00:51:27,784 So, I ripped her curtains off 1123 00:51:27,818 --> 00:51:29,786 and stabbed her with my biro. 1124 00:51:31,221 --> 00:51:32,389 - You signed the name Anthony Perkins. 1125 00:51:32,422 --> 00:51:33,290 - That's right. 1126 00:51:41,631 --> 00:51:45,869 - So anyone who says "It's lonely at the top," 1127 00:51:45,902 --> 00:51:49,139 either needs a good psychiatrist or a kick in the ass. 1128 00:51:50,407 --> 00:51:51,675 It's nice being successful. 1129 00:51:51,708 --> 00:51:53,210 It's good. 1130 00:51:53,243 --> 00:51:54,644 It's very, very good. 1131 00:51:54,678 --> 00:51:56,546 Fucking good, yeah. 1132 00:51:57,647 --> 00:51:59,483 I enjoy it. 1133 00:51:59,516 --> 00:52:00,484 I have a good life. 1134 00:52:00,517 --> 00:52:03,687 I have a lot of fun, no regrets, no complaints. 1135 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:05,822 If it all ended tomorrow, so be it. 1136 00:52:05,856 --> 00:52:08,525 I've had a good time. 1137 00:52:11,561 --> 00:52:13,830 I was very surprised by the knighthood. 1138 00:52:13,864 --> 00:52:15,765 Very, very surprised, very honored. 1139 00:52:15,799 --> 00:52:17,267 I didn't know what had... 1140 00:52:18,502 --> 00:52:20,604 My wife phoned me up while I was down in Bath, 1141 00:52:20,637 --> 00:52:21,771 doing Remains of the Day. 1142 00:52:21,805 --> 00:52:24,608 She phoned me, she said, "You've been given a knighthood." 1143 00:52:24,641 --> 00:52:25,575 I said, "What for?" 1144 00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:26,843 She said, "I don't know." 1145 00:52:26,877 --> 00:52:28,211 And I said, I didn't know. 1146 00:52:28,245 --> 00:52:29,679 I was quite speechless for many days. 1147 00:52:29,713 --> 00:52:30,981 Of course, I was sworn to secrecy. 1148 00:52:31,014 --> 00:52:32,782 You're not supposed to tell anyone. 1149 00:52:32,816 --> 00:52:34,351 But it was, I mean, it's a great honor 1150 00:52:34,384 --> 00:52:39,489 and I try to wear it as comfortably as I can. 1151 00:52:40,891 --> 00:52:43,426 If people call me Mr. Hopkins instead of Sir Anthony, 1152 00:52:43,460 --> 00:52:45,495 I don't have a conniption fit. 1153 00:52:45,529 --> 00:52:47,264 I'm very happy with what everyone, 1154 00:52:47,297 --> 00:52:48,798 In America, they say "Sir Hopkins." 1155 00:52:48,832 --> 00:52:50,500 Oh, I say, "Just call me Tony," 1156 00:52:50,534 --> 00:52:52,435 because they get it all wrong there. 1157 00:52:52,469 --> 00:52:56,740 But it's very, very, very nice. 1158 00:53:04,381 --> 00:53:06,550 - I've been asked to write a biography, an autobiography, 1159 00:53:06,583 --> 00:53:07,918 and I haven't a clue, and I keep doing it, 1160 00:53:07,951 --> 00:53:10,387 and I keep deleting it all from the computer. 1161 00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:11,555 Because I look at it, 1162 00:53:11,588 --> 00:53:12,989 and I thought, "What am I writing all this stuff for?" 1163 00:53:13,023 --> 00:53:14,724 Because I don't want to go back to the past. 1164 00:53:14,758 --> 00:53:16,459 I don't want to go back and examine my childhood. 1165 00:53:16,493 --> 00:53:17,827 I had a perfectly fine childhood. 1166 00:53:17,861 --> 00:53:21,898 I had a confused school career, but that was all, 1167 00:53:21,932 --> 00:53:25,635 I mean nothing really untoward has happened to me. 1168 00:53:25,669 --> 00:53:27,504 I drank a bit too much, stopped doing that, 1169 00:53:27,537 --> 00:53:31,741 and then my life really started to take flower then. 1170 00:53:31,775 --> 00:53:32,876 I get out in the morning, out of bed, 1171 00:53:32,909 --> 00:53:34,578 and you know, I'm getting old. 1172 00:53:34,611 --> 00:53:38,882 And as I get out of bed, "Oh, dear God, right move!" 1173 00:53:38,915 --> 00:53:42,018 I get up, and I think, "Right. I'm alive. 1174 00:53:42,052 --> 00:53:45,622 Life's in Session. It's not a rehearsal. Move," 1175 00:53:45,655 --> 00:53:47,390 and that's what I do. 1176 00:53:55,765 --> 00:53:57,601 And now I can make some bad films, 1177 00:53:57,634 --> 00:53:59,302 and it doesn't matter anymore. 1178 00:53:59,336 --> 00:54:00,537 I don't have to prove it. 1179 00:54:00,570 --> 00:54:01,504 It's like all those little doubts 1180 00:54:01,538 --> 00:54:04,407 that started way back when I was a child. 1181 00:54:05,642 --> 00:54:07,010 It's like a voice inside me says, 1182 00:54:07,043 --> 00:54:10,413 "See you weren't that dumb. You were just different."